Posts by California Sunshine

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agnostic.....reality?

by msil in

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i am agnostic.

(see no fancy writing stuff).

i dont know if god exists (i think he must - but i dont know).

California Sunshine

Dearest Msil,

**********************What do all these other millions of people see that I don't? Am I blinded by something?********************

You are looking for PHYSICAL proof of Gods existence, is that it? Only in a reverse way, right? I want to make sure I understand this .........

These millions of people don't "see" anything more than you and I do. They just believe. Either by being taught from childhood or by some revelation in their own mind. Hence the word "FAITH". The dictionary defines faith as "Belief without the need of certain proof".

If you are looking for proof, other that the beautiful sky and flowers we have to enjoy, good luck. But Demons?

minds are like parachutes--they only function when open.

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agnostic.....reality?

by msil in

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i am agnostic.

(see no fancy writing stuff).

i dont know if god exists (i think he must - but i dont know).

California Sunshine

msil......

I am also an Agnostic. The bible is a great historical document...and thats all there is! It has some very good stuff in it, but inspired? I don't think so.

As far as God is concerned...I haven't made up my mind. Thats why I always say...God, if you are out there.....Thats the great thing about human beings, we have the ability to choose to believe or not. Its as simple as that to me.

What the hell (no pun intended) do you want to try to mess with demons for? Don't we have enough of those guys right here that we can see (Osama Bin Laden for an example)?

Want to tell you again...loved your stories.

Hugs, J

minds are like parachutes--they only function when open.

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what me worry?

by rekless in

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i've waisted 35 years of my life.

i sit here and listen to a bunch of people that are fighting the wtbts.

ken has all kind of stuff proving the demonization of the wtbts and we waste our time trying to convince the dead heads that the org.

California Sunshine

Hi again Rekless,

I wondered back to this thread after a day just to see if you had made any more posts and I read Dannybear's post.

************************The irony of being cut off from your family for so long, is the fact that you come to the realization that there were really very few of them (family members) that you really/truly miss anyway. Sounds cold I know, but it has developed that way for me.***********************

Thats kinda how its become for me. My witness side of the family decided to shun me only because I wasn't a witness (I had done nothing morally or legally wrong). I always felt so bad about that. Not bad enough to become one, but bad. About a years ago my JW brother got in touch with me concerning a family matter. He inclosed his email address and I answered him concerning this matter. After that the rest of my JW side of the family came out of the woodwork. I was receiving email from family I hadn't heard from in years. I answered politely back but all the feelings of love were gone. They were strangers. Sad huh? I can only wonder why at this point in time they were getting in touch with me. "New light" perhaps? As if I care now! The one good thing that came from it all is that I realize NOW how lucky I had been all these years to have not fallin into the grasp of the borg. I come to this board to try to understand and learn from other peoples experiences. I've learned alot.

I've learned in my life's experiences that there are no answers to some questions and some things can't be fixed. In the end you can only truly save yourself. I hope for your sake that your Daughter will someday see the borg for what it is, but you can't live your life on that premise.

I send you a hug because obviously you need one.

Your friend,

minds are like parachutes--they only function when open.

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what me worry?

by rekless in

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i've waisted 35 years of my life.

i sit here and listen to a bunch of people that are fighting the wtbts.

ken has all kind of stuff proving the demonization of the wtbts and we waste our time trying to convince the dead heads that the org.

California Sunshine

Hi Rekless,

Sorry for your pain. I wish I knew the magic words to make it all go away.

You will find friends here. Just keep talking.

35 years is a long time. For some of my family its been 50 years and they are still in there. To be waiting on the come for 50 years is a long time. At least I see them for what they are and am not trapped like some of my family are. You also see them for what they are. At least you didn't waste your whole life on it. Sorry your kid is behaving so badly towards you. Your Grand kids are just pauns in the game.

I guess you have two choices....Go back...or try to rise above this hurt and keep going. You still have some living to do and the choices are yours.

minds are like parachutes--they only function when open.

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Quips and Quotes

by Frenchy in

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"...it does not take deliberate lies to develop mistaken beliefs.

at times, we just misread things.

how many people have met untimely deaths doing something they believed was right?

California Sunshine

Yee Haw!!

Solvin' problems is like throwin' cattle!

Dig your heels in the big ones and catch the little ones 'round the neck!!

And ...Remember, even a kick in the caboose is a step forward!

minds are like parachutes--they only function when open.

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The BIG 4-0! I'm a gang member now!

by Andee in

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the over the hill gang.. so, it's official now.

i'm middle aged.. happy birthday to me.. andee

California Sunshine

Happy...Happy...Birthday....Baby....

where was I 40 years ago today?....Oh, my god, I remember now....

Hugs and Kisses

minds are like parachutes--they only function when open.

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Shunning is worse than the worst crime possible

by Richie in

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i have come to the conclusion that the shunning practices of the jw's are in fact worse than the worst crime committed.

just imagine, your own daughter shunning you, not wanting to see me or her first son (my grandson).

whenever i walk around in the village i live and i happen to encounter jw's, they don't even acknowledge that i exist at all!!.

California Sunshine

The shunning thing is the most hurtful dispicable thing they do thats for sure. Why do they do it?........ CONTROL!! Fear of losing family and friends is a powerful reason to obey all rules.

I got over loosing the JW side of my family. Although I was not DF'D I had no desire to be a witness and so...well, you know the rest. It was hard and (thank goodness) my children were not involved. They saw this org. for what it is.

I feel for you. I know this monster can't be from God.

minds are like parachutes--they only function when open.

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Ultimate JW Moron...or is that an oxymoron??

by kevin221 in

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things that make you go hmmm???.

i guess it's a good thing my trip to greece has been postponed.. as i suspected jons' father is disputing his will.

i'm not surprised, just irritated that i have to deal with this non person for one more day than neccesary.

California Sunshine

Hi Kevin,

Oh I see, he shunned Jon, but he is not shunning Jon's money. Go figuer?

I wonder if Jon's Dad has considered the possibility of what he did to Jon (the disowning and the shunning) coming out in court. Laying it all out for everyone to look at. But then he was only being a good JW. I suppose and it probably won't bother him a bit.

You were very generous to think of giving Jon's Dad some of his things. Circumstances being what they are. To have some sympathy for the person who hurt your Jon so much tells me lots about you.

So sorry you are going through this. Especially at a time when you are grieving.

My thoughts are with you

minds are like parachutes--they only function when open.

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How Long???

by Xena in

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i have been drifting for about 1 1/2 years now and was hoping that in a year or two i would have distanced myself enough from the org.

that i can actually start living my life exactly the way i want to...aka celebrating the holidays by putting lights on the house, not having to tell my daughter not to say anything about going trick or treating, getting birthday presents or going to cheerleader camp.

but i read some posts in the disfellowhiping thread started by somebody where people have been inactive for 3 years and are still disfellowhiped!

California Sunshine

**************Harumpf. They're not your REAL friends if they're 'fairweather friends.'***************

Right on Lisa....how can a TRUE JW possibly have a friend? A true friend loves ya "Worts and All". Looks beyond your faults and sees the good in you. They would never desert you. I HATE this shunning thing beyond words. Unbelievable the damage it does to families.

Zena, I feel for you. You have to do what you think is the best for your baby and you. Tough decisions. TAKE YOUR TIME!

Keep the picture, you are cute as can be in it.

minds are like parachutes--they only function when open.

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New Here

by AlmightyPrincess in

i just thought i'd drop a note.

i have been reading these boards for over 2 maybe 3 weeks, and a couple days ago registered.

even though i have never posted i feel like i know a lot of you already.

California Sunshine

Welcome,

Stick around, you will be glad you did.

Lots of good people here (as you already know). Have questions? Ask away. Someone will have an answer....orrrr an opinion for you.

Will be looking for your posts

minds are like parachutes--they only function when open.